New Ross Valley proof of residency proposed

May we see your papers, please?

From the group who work so hard to make your stay in the Ross Valley as pleasant and inviting as possible comes a proposed “new and improved” proof of residency form.  Yes, folks this one’s really something.  From the measly old one pager to five (5) glorious pages of your personal information. May we see your papers, please?

So here’s the old form (last years model wasn’t adeqaute for some reason):

Current Proof_of_Residency_Affidavit as of 8-13-18

And here’s the “new and improved form:
For this “new” version we need to remind you of the page turner controls at the bottom of the document

Proposed RVSD Verification of Residency Form

And just for yucks let’s repeat and emphasize that last handy line

REPORT RESIDENCY FRAUD:  Any person who believes that false or unreliable evidence of residency has been provided to the district may make an anonymous report through the districts anonymous reporting link.

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Anonymous

Ed Code will be used as an excuse for this regressive and exclusionary proposal. But Ed Code actually gives way more latitude for reasonable and humane districts to facilitate children’s educational access and treat parents – regardless of their socioeoconomic status – humanely and reasonably. http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201120120AB207 An act to add Section 48204.1 to, and to repeal Section 48204.6 of, the Education Code, relating to school attendance. [ Approved by Governor October 03, 2011. Filed with Secretary of State October 03, 2011. ] LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL’S DIGEST AB 207, Ammiano. School attendance: residency requirements. Existing law requires each person between 6 and… Read more »

Lisa Canin
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Lisa Canin

Since my last Hannah Arendt reference created so much flailing, here’s another one: “The clearer the proof of their inability to treat stateless people as legal persons and the greater the extension of arbitrary rule by police decree, the more difficult it is for states to resist the temptation to deprive all citizens of legal status and rule them with an omnipotent police.” —Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism Bagley has proposed new residency requirements that have extremely onerous requirements and threats – especially for students whose parents have different residences and, more importantly for lower income families and for… Read more »

Concerned Parent
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Concerned Parent

What you’ve said above should be edited and corrected. You know full well that nothing was approved at the board meeting. Please don’t spread false information – you are better than that.

Lisa
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Lisa

Thanks. Was posted before the board meeting. That’s how message boards work. Just like NextDoor – all kinds of stuff posted there that’s outdated. But nothing much changed at the board meeting except removing a ridiculously over the top anonymous tip line and a request to see the Thomson-Reuters contract which – importantly – is already being used despite an apparent absence of rigorous vetting. Anne Capron’s response to a query was “if you’ve got some concerns about it, you can check with the company.” Huh, I’d have thought due diligence to protect people from information being shared that they… Read more »

Warren W.
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Warren W.

Okay people of Ross Valley, make your voices heard on this new direction your Board is taking you. BTW, the $5,500 fee that Thompson Reuters is charging is not going to seem so reasonable when the lawsuits start pouring in. On the other hand, this board doesn’t seem to care at all how much is spent on legal fees, just things like teacher salaries, expanding class offerings, children with unique learning needs.

A Real WH Teacher
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A Real WH Teacher

Lisa, where was your righteous indignation during the years Conn and Sharon allowed MAP to discriminate against low income/English language leaders/special needs children? You were very involved with RVSD when the parents at Manor were fighting a second strand of MAP. Why didn’t you do anything back then? Where was your concern for the children you are claiming to care about now?

Peter
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Peter

Maybe if RVC was honest about it’s in district registration, the RVSD wouldn’t feel the need to step up enforcement…. This site is a great echo chamber by the way!! Why don’t you charter folks just drop the prop 39 request and really start your own school? 99.9% of the district would promptly forget all about the RVC, it’s dysfunctional board, its “interesting” curriculum and self-absorbed parents. Trust me, once RVC drops its attacks on the district you will be left to survive on your merits. So please, your neighbors beg you, find another way. Unfortunately, I think your leadership… Read more »

-Editor
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-Editor

This site was created to bring balance and objectivity to the disagreement causing turmoil in the Ross Valley. It is not an advocacy site. If it appears that way sometimes, well that’s what happens when you try to seek balance. We, at least, encourage your comments unlike the truly one-sided, echo-chamber STAND site. Further, we are supportive of public education. We believe in education in general and try to point people toward the truth and let them make up their own mind. We do not respect any attempts to intimidate parents by the use of signs and decals and particularly… Read more »

Lisa Canin
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Lisa Canin

Re: your comment – “what your neighbors think.” It’s a cheap trick to claim you represent the opinion of lots of people. How about you speak for yourself, vet ideas, debate in public with restraint and about concepts not personality and projection, and reveal yourself instead of remaining cloaked in anonymity.

Anne
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Anne

Feel free to return to NextDoor if you wanna just rehash tires and worn attacks. After eliminating my NextDoor account because of the one-sides domination, and lack of ideas about education, I find this site amusing and random in its postings.

Peter
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Peter

Doesn’t look like the editor of this site is particularly interested descenting opinions. If balance means a place where you can ignore your neighbors and convince yourselves of your own righteousness congratulations. If you really want to be free of criticism from your community, stop the destructive behavior. It’s that simple. No one care if you open a school. Just don’t hurt other when doing so. So please just own your own actions, and lose the righteous indignation.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

First, this site is not run by RVC parents. Second, if you are capable of
eliminating the rancor and aspersions and set it up
so we can have an honest debate, then by all means continue. This isn’t Next Door.

-Editor
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-Editor

This site is not by or for the Ross Valley Charter. It is owned and edited by Ross Valley residents who felt there was a need for an open forum without the intimidation and exclusiveness found on Next Door or the comment section of the MarinIJ. We aim to please and upset everyone equally. Having said that, I’ll remind you once again that you are welcome as long as you Behave Yourself and attempt to contribute in a positive way. If you must be belligerent or rude or attempt to be intimidating you should consider returning to Next Door where… Read more »

Peter
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Peter

Who is it run by then? the posts don’t seem to be in any way neutral, and the domain itself casts negative aspersions on our district. Where is the honesty?

Anna
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Anna

If neutrality and transparency are requirements for participation in debate where does that leave STAND? Here’s a proposal: Disband and advocate for mediated public debates and discourse – and I’m sure these alternative sites will too. This whole thing is stupid and a waste of money and attention.

Alice EB
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Alice EB

Who is Stand run by ? Stand is neutral ? Heather Bennet is a founder and lead , anyone else want to come forward ? RV is one of the most educated populations on the planet and I know great people that read Stand blogs and give a thumbs up or slap a magnet on their car without fact checking or questioning anything . 99% of the RV population does not attend either a RVSD or RVC board meeting , or has ever asked leaders of either school for direct information . We are the same small group ruminating for… Read more »

Alice EB
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Alice EB

Peter- and speaking of “ ignoring your neighbors”, here you are commenting and neighbors are responding . How are you being ignored? I tried to make a comment on Stand FB Page to correct their last mailing. I emailed our RVSD President to get the facts and that blog that was filled with untruths . I could not make a comment because I’ve been blocked . I’ve never made an attempt to comment on that page before. Stand doesn’t want me commenting yet Heather Bennet , Stands founder, devoted an entire post on Only Fairfax FB to me and my… Read more »

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Alice EB, how am I being ignored? In my view, the whole community is begin ignored by the RVC leadership. It is pretty clear that there is not adequate support to run the RVC in the Ross Valley. By imposing the prop 39 request on the district the RVC is putting a burden on the school district that many in the community don’t appreciate. So its very simple the Prop 39 request and the related law suites are ignoring the community. Very few people in the ross valley asked for this. I don’t speak for STAND, I don’t know HB.… Read more »

Peter
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Peter

STAND is in no way neutral, I don’t think anyone would make that case. All I have said is, based on the content and comments on this site, it seems like it is chartered to be the RVC supporters version of Stand. If that is what you want, then great, but then expect the derisive comments. If you don’t like it make it private like Stands supposed private message board. There will be no resolution to the RVSD RVC standoff that will be accepted by the community that does not involve the RVC taking some responsibility for the current situation.… Read more »

Julie Quater
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Julie Quater

I loathe to chime in….but obviously don’t loathe it enough, so here I go. “Peter,” I sense you nibbling around issues where there’s missing or misinformation, but issues that are worth discussing. When the IJ tried to have a balanced forum, an RVC rep showed up, Mary Jane Burke showed up and Stand and RVSD refused to participate. They had to recruit someone from San Rafael to stand in for them. Who was unreasonable? RVSD repeats over and over again that RVC can’t be trusted to mediate, but RVSD has refused mediation at every turn so how would they know?… Read more »

Peter
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Peter

Julie, As I would imagine you are aware, false information is spread on both sides of this issue. Are you implying otherwise? You have a long history of interactions with the District and MAP, Who do you think is “Seeking to Destroy”? Maybe the team STAND really wants RVC to fail. That is their right. I could care less one way or the other. There are a lot of people in this community who see the current RVC leadership as bad actors, as individuals who are so focused on their own wants that they are negatively affecting a common good,… Read more »

Julie
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Julie

I’m not implying anything, just interested if there are people who want to suspend their assumptions and engage in exploration of facts. I’ve actually talked to a fair number of parents and other community members who are neutral about the charter and hate what Stand has done in the community, but they don’t want to get involved. Personally, I’ve looked at the numbers and other than the inconvenience of the district putting RVC at WH, think the furor over Prop 39 (other than the continuing cost of RVSD refusing to mediate) is hyperbolic and irrational. I’ve asked for numbers and… Read more »

Anonymous
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Anonymous

So you are implying I am not reasonable? If so, you are defining reasonable as someone who can be persuaded by your arguments. Also from the perspective of being willing to mediate, I think the school board is entirely rational in refusing to mediate with RVC. RVC leadership has not shown that they are trustworthy partners. Now if RVC would agree to binding arbitration, where they couldn’t just turn around and sue when they didn’t get their way, that would be another story. Regarding the furor over prop 39, for me, it’s not so much about the prop 39 request,… Read more »

Ronald MD
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Ronald MD

Julie – Just think about this for a second. Imagine if RVC was in a private facility. What would be the topics of contention? Nothing. And that’s the viewpoint of the majority of the community. I’ve talked to more people than you – members of stand, parents at RVC, parents at RVSD. Everyone wants their community back. Everyone wants the tension to go away. Everyone wants the lawsuits to stop. The answer is dead simple. RVC should stand alone, in their own facility, with their own future. Stand would go away. People would stop attending RVC board meetings. The community… Read more »

Lisa
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Lisa

Peter – What’s your understanding of what would need to happen for RVC to give up its legal entitlement to assert Prop 39? Under what conditions would a person or an entity voluntarily give up something they’re legally entitled to and need to survive? I’m not asking confrontationally but as a serious thought exercise to consider what conditions are negotiable and workable. I don’t see any other way to envision a path forward other than laying out the minimal requirements two parties need for mutual survival…anything that reliably eliminates survival can’t be a serious condition.

Peter
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Peter

Lisa, why does RVC need prop 39. The use of prop 39 is actually causing the school serious problems. Prop 39 restricts RVC to space ONLY for in-district residents. RVC does not have in district enrollment to run a viable school. RVC need to attract students from surrounding districts, but can’t accommodate those students in the spaced legally allocated based on in district enrolment. RVC can’t grow under prop 39, so right now prop 39 is strangulating the school. It’s not giving up a legal right is removing a crutch that prevents RVC from healing its relationships with the community.

Lisa
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Lisa

It’s a good question and, you’re right about it both limiting the school and creating the latest focal cause for friction (although, Peter, to be completely truthful, there was huge opposition BEFORE they did the Prop 39 so it’s hard not to see the objections just as a whack-a-mole). If wanting to avoid Prop 39 was the most important thing to RVSD/STAND, then there could have been a decision to try to figure out what could be done to make Red Hill or empty classrooms split across Manor and Brookside (as RVC suggested) work. Keep in mind, I am speaking… Read more »

Ronald MD
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Ronald MD

It’s clear as day that RVC and RVSD do not share common ground for a compromise. The community views RVC as a group of selfish, entitled families that are ruining a wonderful school district. RVC views the community as opposing their survival. RVC wants Red Hill; the community doesn’t share that view. Talking about differences in opinion is healthy – but recognizing when those differences in opinion are not going to be bridged is equally important.

Alice eb
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Alice eb

Peter- To your point : I can imagine you are right there will be neighbors that will “not be able to get back to the business of educating their kids and building great programs at RVSD” as long as the RVC is around. That seems like an unnecessary wound to inflict on yourself family and schools. Our schools are counting on parents and leadership that can see the trees through the forest. Maybe it would be worth the exercise to learn who are charter neighbors are and what their intentions are from our charter neighbors . I can say from… Read more »

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Alice, The history of MAPs that you paint is the bright and shiny one. As you are well aware not everyone had that experience with MAP. While I believe MAP started with good intentions, in my view it went astray. It did so when current RVC leadership were responsible at least partially for its oversite. I am not really interested in seeing mediation between the RSVD and RVC. There is no need for mediation, the only question that is open is the amount of space legally required to be allotted to RVC. This is now in the hands of the… Read more »

Ronald MD
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Ronald MD

Alice – I think the world of your enthusiasm for RVC. Honestly, so many of us in the community are simply no longer interested in having a town hall or talking in circles around the same topic. The majority of the community would prefer that RVC find a private facility in the community or elsewhere. There is little further interest in the program, the history, the pains and struggles, the suffering, the abuse, the discrimination, the hatred…people have heard it all 100 times. Our kids, the RVSD kids also deserve better. They deserve to have their wonderful school district back… Read more »

Anonymous
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Anonymous

If you’re not interested in talking about this why are you talking? I’m sure there’s a goat blog somewhere.

Alice eb
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Alice eb

Have to agree with the above comment. Thats a lot of messaging from neighbors that say they don’t want to talk. It takes a different courage to look your neighbors in the eye and collaborate on new ways forward. We don’t have to agree on anything really though . Our real experiences and approval or disapproval of the RVSD will follow us – in the real conversations we have and recommendations we make or do not make. We are building the RVSD legacy collectively. President Anne Capron looked me in the eye over coffee recently and said the district is… Read more »

Peter
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Peter

Alice, Please give it a rest. ICE raids? you are just getting yourself worked up. Since you have sat down with AC for coffee, I am sure you understand to some extent the issues that the district is facing. Our district is far from perfect, but there are plenty of good things going on. If you don’t like the current Bologna, make your own. If you don’t like the fact that the Supe is not going to make nice with RVC, too bad. The majority of RSVD supporters see no need to make nice with an organization that has played… Read more »

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Signs all over town proclaiming that Betsy DeVos and the Koch brothers are at the door and RVC is a Walmart privatization parter? Peter – you’re telling Alice to give it a rest by talking on a blog about looking for partners to try to steer away from more years of the same?

Peter
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Peter

Anonymous, I am telling Alice to give it a rest about the “ICE Raids”. Are you saying that the RVC did not take $$ from the wallmart families foundation? That they have not accepted legal advice from the CCSA? Does Betsy Devos’s agenda not include the expansion of charter schools at the expense of public schools. Her comment about ICE and the tenor of this blog post is hysterical. The RSVD is not going to turn people over to ICE. Just because the company they contract with has a contract with ICE does make the RSVD complicit in ICE raids.… Read more »

Alice eb
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Alice eb

Fair enough.

Anonymous tip line w this contract . Whats that about? Where does that tip go?

Alice eb
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Alice eb

“What am I scared of?” As a white parent in Marin, it’s not about me . Our school district should be protecting underserved populations in ALL our schools. Our neighbors may be documented and safe but have family that are not . Not to mention, making accusations of fraud with zero evidence to back it up is not riveting to me. Dr Bagley crafts his messages carefully. Publish a note about “suspicion” of RVC students in public correspondence and Stands got a new blog about fraud and devoted folks ( like you anonymous ) to keep circulating the baseless accusations… Read more »

Lisa C
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Lisa C

I think it’s really important that we not ratchet up the issue — because it’s problematic enough. There are enough things really wrong with the address verification policy and procedures without saying that RVSD is contracting with ICE. It’s tempting to go there because it’s totally obvious that draconian measures have been designed to go after RVC, that good sense has been abandoned to do so – but the issue with making a change to use a service like Thomson-Reuters is that we are in an era where we really don’t know about firewalls, that it is untested and clearly… Read more »

Anonymous
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Anonymous

There is absolutely no reason for anyone to be afraid of verification. It is there for everyone’s benefit.

Lisa C
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Lisa C

Onerous, overly intrusive verification hurts everyone equally – it drives away enrollment to all schools in ways that disproportionately impact undocumented immigrants and anyone with any kind of non-standard residential arrangement. Or, depending on your perspective, it privileges documented people and those with property they own and reside in – indirectly or directly intimidating and creating obstacles for lower income folks and people whose documentation status is challenged. It functions the same way that real estate covenants and redlining historically have. This issue is so much bigger and different than a small RVC/RVSD dispute and is important across the county… Read more »

Ronald MD
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Ronald MD

Why are you making this so complicated? 1. If you have residency in a school district you GET to attend the schools. 2. If you do not have residency in a school district you DO NOT GET to attend. You say…”Onerous, overly intrusive verification hurts everyone equally – it drives away enrollment to all schools in ways that disproportionately impact undocumented immigrants and anyone with any kind of non-standard residential arrangement.” It drives away enrollment. No. It provides a fair an honest way to determine the district a student is entitled to attend. They aren’t asking for DNA. They are… Read more »

Anonymous
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Anonymous

News flash – there are people in the world who don’t live in a home they own or that their name is on a lease or rental agreement. That’s what I meant by “non-standard.”

Ronald MD
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Ronald MD

This is about the permanent residence of the parents. If a parent owns a house or has a lease, they should have no problem. If a parent is living in a home (they don’t own) and can’t get a lease or a sublease for a room (even if they pay a $1/month) is it their residence?

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Its hard when things are complicated, eh? Much easier when it’s clear who the enemies are…and when Dr. Bagley tells you what to think and you can think you can just rely on him speaking truth.

But in reality, things are complex. That’s why there are legal guidelines issued for what districts can and can’t do with regards to residency verification…and it looks like RVSD is significantly out of compliance, as is the one district with the most restrictive guidelines it chose to copy.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Especially if you wanna make life more difficult and discourage for non immigrants and renters- absolutely works.

People with means, including former prominent former MAP haters using fake addresses for children’s/grandchildren’s residency will always find ways to game the system

Peter
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Peter

Why does everyone feel like the new proof or residency is more restrictive? There are more categories of single document proof than there were before. The only real differences are that it the parent or guardian has to affirm their adherence with the residency requirement. If you are a resident, whats the problem? Page 5 is just the Affidavit that was also previously required under the same circumstances. Noncharter families who would like to do an interdistrict transfer can legally apply to do so and don’t need to perjure themselves to send their kids to RSVD. Seems like those who… Read more »

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Nope. 10 new conditions to individually attest to (many with penal codes included), excessively ratcheted up types of documentation, provision of court order for joint custody parents, absence of simpler types of documentation (e.g., pay stubs) that Ed Code requires district to accept.

Lisa Canin
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Lisa Canin

Peter – This issue – and the impact it has on families has been well documented. https://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2017-06-21/all-children-deserve-to-learn-despite-immigration-status “The Georgetown report, Ensuring Every Undocumented Student Succeeds, includes specific recommendations…Local school districts should be flexible in their paperwork requirements, making it easier – not harder – for students in the nation without legal status to show their residency and guardianships. We must follow not just the letter of the law, but also its spirit. This means opening not just our schools, but our hearts to all of our students. It means understanding that our future success as a nation depends on listening… Read more »

Anonymous
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Anonymous

You provided a link to an article based on opinion, you offered your own opinion and that is the basis by which you condemn the district. No facts, no statistics about our district population, no analysis of how this specific residency form hurts or harms anyone. You are a offering your opinion.

Lisa C
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Lisa C

So, a report by Georgetown University Law Center’s Human Rights Institute (HRI) and the Women’s Refugee Commission addressing obstacles to school enrollment for undocumented children is “an article based on opinion” ?

Districts don’t collect statistics about whether students are documented or not, by law. Having trouble following your logic.

Cynthia
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Cynthia

I believe that RVC would LOVE to be located on a non-RVSD property, but where? They are required to be located within Fairfax and San Anselmo, but there is no available site that’s large enough to house a school of 220 kids (the enrollment they project when full). They are also a public school so cannot afford super high commercial rents. RVC could afford to rent Red Hill if it was offered at a similar price as Deer Park. That’s what they’ve asked for repeatedly for year. They could (and offered to) sign a contract stating they would not use… Read more »

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Why is deer park not another option?

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Way too expensive now that district has allowed it to go to complete sh$#t – and – neighbors would put up huge stink. Was not an offer in good faith, you know that.

Fred
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Fred

Hey crapsup – Using a fake persona would be laughable if it weren’t totally consistent with STAND behavior. Since you can’t control this site, like you’re able to do using basecamp to manage other social media sites, start faux posting. Everyone can play that stupid game, real White Hill Teacher, MarinTrusteeDad and on and on.

This one was particularly ironic given that Eileen Rohan was an early proponent of the “let’s charter MAP, get it out from under Manor’s skin and fix up Red Hill together” camp.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

My understanding is that when that was proposed, there were state funds. Most definitely not imaginary. Districts not fighting with in-district charters accessed them.

Regarding your question above, Dr. Ron – why would a district with declining enrollment not do everything in its power to retain a thriving program of choice?

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Posted link earlier. Have no particular knowledge but a Google search of available funds for Charter renovation a few years ago makes it very clear that funds were readily available for charters or districts with charters

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Google search of available funds for Charter renovation a few years ago makes it very clear that funds were readily available for charters or districts with charters. One example posted above. Unclear when next round of funds will be open, but of course the district has this info. Red Hill much more readily modernized than Deer Park.

Anon
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Anon

How about Ronald does his own research ?
If you have a question about a grant shoot the email to RVC . Share the response.

Ronald MD
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Ronald MD

Oh come on! Now we’re going to play the deflection game? If you know you don’t have the facts and someone calls you out on it – then you deflect. You see, I know and you know and the whole town knows that the grant was a unicorn! Ball still in your court to prove otherwise. You can’t do it, because it’s a fact – the grant was never viable.

Poor RVSD 😩
Guest
Poor RVSD 😩

Bennet Goldman Bagley
Threes company
❤️

Poor RVSD 😩
Guest
Poor RVSD 😩

H Bennet Standz very own War General creator of Go Public put her kid in Private this year ? 👎🏻
Say . It . Isn’t . So.

Moderator
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Moderator

Behave yourself.
Personal attacks will be taken down.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Don’t know heather Bennett but if she went private that is her prerogative. Private schools aren’t stealing prop 39 space on the cheap from district property. Go heather!

Dave S
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Dave S

Telling people to go public and not doing that herself . She left notes on every windshield on Glen Dr this morning asking people to stay in RVSD. Guess when everyone goes private or charter you got to beg.
Total fraud.

Poor RVSD 😩
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Poor RVSD 😩

I said H Bennet . You said you don’t know Heather Bennet . Caught ya.
You probably are H Bennet! 🤗

Moderator
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Moderator

Behave yourself.
Personal attacks will be taken down.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Charter schools don’t have to be renovated to the same standards as district schools; they can use the local building codes. To fix up Red Hill to local codes would be significantly less expensive than to open it as a district school. Here is a letter that the RVC Board chair sent to the district superintendent, when asked about available resources: June 12, 2018 Dear Rick, Thank you for your email requesting what we may know about state funding sources for charter facilities. We really appreciate you reaching out to us. First, we want to make clear that we are… Read more »